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<subject>Chromosomes and Gene Expression</subject>
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<article-title>Connecting Chromatin Structures to Gene Regulation Using Dynamic Polymer Simulations</article-title>
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<surname>Fu</surname>
<given-names>Yi</given-names>
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<given-names>Tianxiao</given-names>
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<surname>Nomikou</surname>
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<surname>Tsirigos</surname>
<given-names>Aristotelis</given-names>
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<given-names>Timothée</given-names>
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<aff id="a1"><label>1</label><institution>Institute for Systems Genetics, New York University School of Medicine</institution>, <city>New York</city>, <country>USA</country></aff>
<aff id="a2"><label>2</label><institution>Arima Genomics, Inc.</institution>, <city>San Francisco</city>, <country>USA</country></aff>
<aff id="a3"><label>3</label><institution>Department of Pathology, NYU School of Medicine</institution>, <city>New York</city>, <country>USA</country></aff>
<aff id="a4"><label>4</label><institution>Department of Medicine, Division of Precision Medicine, NYU School of Medicine</institution>, <city>New York</city>, <country>USA</country></aff>
<aff id="a5"><label>5</label><institution>Applied Bioinformatics Laboratories, NYU School of Medicine</institution>, <city>New York</city>, <country>USA</country></aff>
<aff id="a6"><label>6</label><institution>Department of Cell Biology, New York University School of Medicine</institution>, <city>New York</city>, <country>USA</country></aff>
<aff id="a7"><label>7</label><institution>Department of Biomedical Engineering, NYU Tandon School of Engineering</institution>, <city>Brooklyn</city>, <country>USA</country></aff>
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<surname>Lakadamyali</surname>
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<corresp id="cor1"><label>*</label>Corresponding author. Email: <email>Timothee.Lionnet@nyulangone.org</email></corresp>
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<title>Abstract</title><p>The transfer of regulatory information between distal loci on chromatin is thought to involve physical proximity, but key biophysical features of these contacts remain unclear. For instance, it is unknown how close and for how long two loci need to be in order to productively interact. The main challenge is that it is currently impossible to measure chromatin dynamics with high spatiotemporal resolution at scale. Polymer simulations provide an accessible and rigorous way to test biophysical models of chromatin regulation, yet there is a lack of simple and general methods for extracting the values of model parameters. Here we adapt the Nelder-Mead simplex optimization algorithm to select the best polymer model matching a given Hi-C dataset, using the <italic>MYC</italic> locus as an example. The model’s biophysical parameters predict a compartmental rearrangement of the <italic>MYC</italic> locus in leukemia, which we validate with single-cell measurements. Leveraging trajectories predicted by the model, we find that loci with similar Hi-C contact frequencies can exhibit widely different contact dynamics. Interestingly, the frequency of productive interactions between loci exhibits a non-linear relationship with their Hi-C contact frequency when we enforce a specific capture radius and contact duration. These observations are consistent with recent experimental observations and suggest that the dynamic ensemble of chromatin configurations, rather than average contact matrices, is required to fully predict productive long-range chromatin interactions.</p>
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<title>Competing Interest Statement</title><p>The authors have declared no competing interest.</p></notes>
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<fn fn-type="update"><p>Updated Main text, supplementary materials included additional data.</p></fn>
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<title>Introduction</title>
<p>The three-dimensional organization of the genome plays an important role in regulating gene expression by constraining long-range regulatory communication, for instance between promoters and enhancers (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c1">1</xref>). In proximity ligation-based methods such as Hi-C, two main genomic structures are apparent (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c2">2</xref>): Topologically Associating Domains (TADs), which are regions with high interaction frequency, and thus appear as squares around the diagonal in contact frequency matrices; and large A and B compartments, which are regions that preferentially interact with alternating regions but not neighbors, and thus appear as a checkerboard pattern in contact frequency matrices. On one hand, TADs constitute an emergent property of the chromatin fiber resulting from dynamic loop extrusion by Loop Extrusion Factors (LEFs), such as cohesin (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c3">3</xref>), and are bound by CTCF (CCCTC-binding factors) binding sites (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c4">4</xref>–<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c6">6</xref>). On the other hand, compartments largely correlate with alternating heterochromatin and euchromatin domains (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c7">7</xref>).</p>
<p>Simulations combining polymer dynamics, loop extrusion by LEFs with fixed boundaries, and weak attractive domain interactions accurately describe genome organization, including compartments (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c3">3</xref>,<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c8">8</xref>) and their dynamics (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c9">9</xref>,<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c10">10</xref>). These simulations enable quantitative exploration of the mechanisms driving chromatin folding. Yet, given an experimental Hi-C dataset, there is a lack of simple and general methods to unbiasedly extract the parameter values of the corresponding polymer model. Recent work has compared experiments to a series of simulations based on a grid sweep of the parameters. Such a sweep provides an unbiased mapping of parameter space but is computationally costly (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c10">10</xref>). Others have used machine learning to find the parameters for the weak attractive domain interactions. However, determining the parameters for loop extrusion still requires systematically testing hundreds of parameter sets based on prior knowledge of CTCF binding (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c8">8</xref>).</p>
<p>Here, leveraging a polymer model that combines loop extrusion and domain interactions (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c3">3</xref>), we adapted the Nelder-Mead simplex optimization algorithm to build a method that can find the polymer parameters that best describe any input Hi-C data. We validated our strategy using <italic>in silico</italic> ground truth, published datasets featuring established biological perturbations, and DNA FISH data. Leveraging the temporal trajectories of chromatin generated by our simulations, we show that similar loci pairs with similar Hi-C contact frequencies can nonetheless exhibit dramatically different chromatin dynamics. Enforcing a specific capture radius and minimum duration for long-range communication, we show that long-range regulation varies non-linearly with Hi-C contact frequency across a range of plausible parameters.</p>
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<title>Materials and methods</title>
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<title>Cell Culture</title>
<p>Human peripheral blood CD4+ T cells were bought from Lonza (Lot No. 18TL156140) and thawed following the manufacturer’s protocol. The T cells were then cultured in RPMI media (Corning, #10-040-CV) supplemented with 15% fetal bovine serum (Invitrogen; 10082147), 1% penicillin/streptomycin (Thermo Fisher Scientific; 15-140-122), 1x glutamax (Fisher Scientific; 35-050-061), 1x non-essential amino acids (Fisher Scientific; 11-140-050), 1x sodium pyruvate (Thermo Scientific; 11360070), 1x beta-mercaptoethanol (Thermo Scientific; 21985023), and 30 U/ml IL2 (PeproTech; #212-12).</p>
<p>CUTLL1 cells are a gift from the Aifantis lab. The cell line was cultured in RPMI media supplemented with 10% fetal bovine serum and 1% penicillin and streptomycin.</p>
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<title>Imaging Sample Preparation</title>
<p>Cells were spun down to polylysine (Sigma-Aldrich; A-005-C) coated slides using a Thermo Scientific Cytospin 4 centrifuge at 1250 rpm for 5 min. Cells were then fixed in 4% paraformaldehyde (Electron Microscopy Sciences; #15713, diluted in PBS) at 4 °C overnight. After rinsing once with 1x PBS (Fisher Scientific 14-190-250), cells were permeabilized with 0.5% TritonX-100 (Bio-Rad #1610407, diluted in PBS) for 15 min at room temperature. Cells were rinsed again with PBS. The slides were used immediately for subsequent processes or stored in PBS at 4 °C overnight.</p>
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<title>DNA FISH</title>
<p>Custom DNA FISH probes were ordered from Arbor Biosciences (sequences in Supp. <xref rid="tbl1" ref-type="table">Table 1</xref>). To label DNA FISH probes, dual-HPLC purified, amino-modified oligos were obtained from IDT and labeled by incubation with NHS esters conjugated with Cy3 (Cytiva PA13101) or Cy5 (Cytiva PA15101) in 0.1 M sodium carbonate buffer (pH 9.0) overnight. Labeled oligos were purified with QIAquick nucleotide removal kit (Qiagen; #28304) and used as reverse transcription primers.</p>
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<caption><title>List of all simulation parameters and their values.</title></caption>
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<p>Probe labeling and DNA FISH were performed following the manufacturer’s protocol. The probes were resuspended in nuclease-free water at 0.07 ng/uL, and PCR amplified with KapaHiFi Hotstart Readymix (Fisher Scientific KK2601). Following PCR, a debubbling mix (10 uL KapaHiFi Hotstart Readymix, 1.2 uL myTag PCR primer mix, and 8.8 uL nuclease-free water) was added to the sample and incubated in a thermocycler with the following program: 1) 95 °C 3 min, 2) 98 °C 20 s, 3) 54 °C 15 s, 4) 72 °C 30 s, 5) repeat steps 2-4 one time. The product was purified with QIAquick PCR Purification Kit (Qiagen; #28104) and eluted in 30 uL of nuclease-free water.</p>
<p>To obtain single-stranded DNA FISH probes, after PCR purification, probes were <italic>in vitro</italic> transcribed with the MEGAshortscript T7 kit (ThermoFisher AM1354) for 4 h at 37 °C and purified with RNeasy Mini Kit (Qiagen; #74104). Following the in vitro transcription, the probes were reverse transcribed with Superscript IV Reverse Transcriptase (ThermoFisher 18090010). 52 ug <italic>in vitro</italic> transcription product and 2 nmoles labeled oligo were vacuum dried with Eppendorf Vacufuge Plus and resuspended in 44 uL nuclease-free water. The mixture was then combined with 15 uL 10 mM dNTPs (New England Biolabs; #N0447S) and 1 uL SUPERase-In (ThermoFisher AM2696) and incubated at 65 °C for 5 min. Then the mixture was combined with 6.5 uL nuclease-free water, 20 uL reverse transcription buffer, 10 ul 0.1 M DTT (Invitrogen; #1949355), 1 uL SUPERase-In, and 2.5 uL reverse transcriptase and incubated at 50 °C for 3 h. 11 uL Exonuclease I Buffer and 2 uL Exonuclease I (New England Biolabs; M0293S) was added following reverse transcription and incubated at 37 °C for 15 min. Then 12 uL 0.5 M EDTA (Invitrogen; #00486682) was added and incubated at 80 °C for 20 min, and the reverse transcription product was purified with Quick-RNA Miniprep Kit (Zymo; #R1054S). The probes were then digested with 4 uL RNaseH (New England Biolabs M0297S) and 4 uL RNaseA (Thermo Scientific; EN0531) in RNaseH buffer using the following program: 37 °C 2 h, 70 °C 20 min, 50 °C 1 h, 95 °C 5 min, ramp down to 50 °C at 0.1 °C/sec, 50 °C 1 h. Following digestion, the probes were purified again with Quick-RNA Miniprep Kit.</p>
<p>DNA FISH slides were incubated in 20% glycerol (Fisher Bioreagent; #172572, diluted in PBS) for 30 min, frozen in liquid nitrogen for 30 s, and thawed for 1 min at room temperature. The slides were again incubated in 20% glycerol for 20 min, frozen in liquid nitrogen for 30 s, and thawed for 1 min at room temperature. The slides were then incubated for 5 min in 0.1 N HCl (Fisher Scientific; S25354) and washed with 2xSSC (Sigma-Aldrich; 11666681001) 3 times, 1 min each. Then the slides were incubated for 30 min in hybridization buffer (30% formamide, Thermo Fisher Scientific; 15-515-026; 5xSSC, 9 mM Citric Acid, Sigma-Aldrich; 251275-500G and MKCF6319, pH 6.0; 0.1% Tween20; 1x Denhardt’s Solution; 40% Dextran Sulfate, Sigma-Aldrich; 42867-5G; 0.4 mg/mL BSA) at 37 °C. 10 pmol probes were diluted in hybridization buffer, incubated for 5 min at 70 °C, added to the slides, incubated at 85 °C for 5 min, and hybridized overnight in a 37 °C humidified chamber. The slides were then washed twice for 30 min with probe wash buffer (30% formamide, 5x SSC, 9 mM Citric Acid pH 6.0, 0.1% Tween20) at 37 °C and twice 5 min with 5x SSCT (SSC + 0.1% Tween20) at room temperature. Finally, the slides were rinsed with 0.5 ug/mL DAPI (Sigma-Aldrich; 32670-5MG-F) in 1xPBS, mounted in ProLong Gold (Thermo Fisher Scientific; P36930) and sealed with nail polish the next day (Electron Microscopy Sciences; #72180).</p>
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<title>Image Acquisition</title>
<p>Slides were imaged on a customized, MicroManager-controlled (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c11">11</xref>,<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c12">12</xref>), epi-fluorescent Nikon microscope equipped with a Chameleon camera, using a 100x oil-immersion lens (NA=1.4). 10-15 image stacks were captured per sample with voxel size 73x73x250 nm. Slides were imaged using three channels: 405 (DAPI), 532 (Cy3), and 637 nm (Cy5) excitation lasers.</p>
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<title>Image Analysis</title>
<p>We first estimated the locations of the centroids of DNA FISH signals using AirLocalize(<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c13">13</xref>), eliminating double detections. We then cropped out a small 3D region (20x20x10 pixels) around each approximate centroid, and subtracted the surrounding background intensity. We determined the centroid of each locus as the center of mass of the intensity distribution using the meshgrid function. We matched centroids from different channels if they shared the same nuclear mask (generated with CellProfiler (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c14">14</xref>)) and were mutual nearest neighbors, and calculated their mutual distance. Cells were categorized into G1 or G2 phase based on the number of FISH spots; one or two for G1, three or four for G2. Cells with no spots or more than four spots were excluded from the cell cycle analysis (statistics in Supp. Table 2). Matlab code (<ext-link ext-link-type="uri" xlink:href="https://www.mathworks.com/">https://www.mathworks.com/</ext-link>) is available on GitHub: <ext-link ext-link-type="uri" xlink:href="https://github.com/timotheelionnet/DNAFISH_analysis">https://github.com/timotheelionnet/DNAFISH_analysis</ext-link></p>
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<title>Polymer Simulations</title>
<p>Polymer simulations combining Langevin dynamics and loop extrusions were adapted from a previous publication(<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c3">3</xref>). TAD boundary monomers were assigned two permeabilities, corresponding respectively to the probability of stopping a LEF moving forward (<italic>stallL</italic>) or backward (<italic>stallR</italic>; <xref rid="fig1" ref-type="fig">Fig. 1</xref> C and Supp. Fig. 1 A). The interaction potential between monomers consists of a short-range repulsive hard core enforcing impenetrability, followed by an attractive well at intermediate distances. The well depth is set to the attractive energy <italic>E<sub>attr</sub></italic>, a value specific to each TAD (<xref rid="fig1" ref-type="fig">Fig. 1</xref> D and Supp. Fig. 1 A), and the attractive energy between each monomer pair is determined using the geometric mean of the attractive energies of both monomers. We set the well radius and hard core repulsion energy to values that recapitulate typical compartmental checkerboard patterns and kept them fixed throughout (<xref rid="tbl1" ref-type="table">Table 1</xref>).</p>
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<caption><p>Simulation setup. A) Optimization principle. Contact frequency maps calculated from the simulated structures are compared to Hi-C data using Spearman Correlation; the simulations are then iteratively optimized to get the best-fit parameter set. B) Nelder-Mead algorithm flowchart. C and D) Loop extrusion and domain interaction models (parameters are listed in <xref rid="tbl1" ref-type="table">Table 1</xref>). E,G,I) Contact frequency maps of ground truth simulated data (top) compared to contact frequency maps of best-fit models (bottom). F,H,J) Comparison of the biophysical parameter values between ground truth and best-fit models. K) Model of a locus rearranged in CTCFmut (chr3: 59,800,000-61,840,000). Each TAD is assigned a specific <italic>E<sub>attr</sub></italic> value. The intervening TAD boundaries are each assigned two directional boundary permeabilities (possibilities of stopping at the boundary in either direction, <italic>stallL</italic> and <italic>stallR</italic>). L) Top: Hi-C contact frequency maps in WT and CTCFmut. Bottom, best-fit simulations for WT and CTCFmut. M) Best-fit biophysical parameters of the simulations in L. **p &lt; 0.05.</p></caption>
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<p>To optimize the simulation duration to streamline the parameter search (Supp. Fig. 1 B), we computed the autocorrelation function of the TAD2-TAD4 inter-TAD distance using the initial guess simulation parameters of the MYC locus in CUTLL. The simulation was saved every 5 simulation blocks. Based on the decay of the autocorrelation function of the simulated structures (Supp. Fig. 1 C), we saved structures every 300 blocks, and reset the positions of loop extrusion factors every 600 blocks; each block consists of a LEF position update (each LEF moves by one monomer or dissociates/reloads), followed by 250 Langevin dynamics iterations. Each simulation consisting of 10 parallel replicates takes &lt;30 min on 10 GPUs.</p>
<p>To define the initial guess, we systematically adjusted the parameters one by one (<italic>E<sub>attr</sub></italic> at 0.1 interval, <italic>stallL</italic>/<italic>R</italic> at 0.25 interval for each TAD/boundary) while keeping others at a fixed value. The best-fits from manual systematic adjusting were used as the initial guess for simplex.</p>
<p>The simplex leverages the Nelder-Mead method (<ext-link ext-link-type="uri" xlink:href="https://docs.scipy.org/doc/scipy/reference/optimize.minimize-neldermead.html">https://docs.scipy.org/doc/scipy/reference/optimize.minimize-neldermead.html</ext-link>) as implemented in the scipy.optimize package (<ext-link ext-link-type="uri" xlink:href="https://docs.scipy.org/doc/scipy/reference/optimize.html">https://docs.scipy.org/doc/scipy/reference/optimize.html</ext-link>). To build contact frequency maps, we assigned contact between monomer pairs lying within a given distance threshold, set to 420 nm in best-fits (matching the lower resolution of HindIII Hi-C input data(<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c15">15</xref>,<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c16">16</xref>)), and 200 nm for the dynamic trajectories (matching the increased resolution of recent experiments using MboI capture-C(<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c15">15</xref>,<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c17">17</xref>)). These distance thresholds are within the range of similar threshold values used in previous publications comparing Hi-C with DNA FISH (Supp. Table 3).</p>
<p>We tested various methods to measure the similarity between simulated contact frequency maps and Hi-C maps (Supp. Fig. 2): Spearman correlation between simulated and Hi-C maps, Spearman correlation between 3-component PCA of simulated and Hi-C maps, squared distance between simulated Hi-C maps, and distance-corrected correlations between log-transformed simulated and Hi-C maps (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c8">8</xref>). All metrics converge to similar best fit parameters for the CUTLL Hi-C data. Since Spearman correlation between simulated and Hi-C maps required the least number of iterations, we used that method for all simulation fittings at the MYC locus. For smaller loci, distance-corrected correlations gave better agreement with the Hi-C data and were used instead.</p>
<p>The model used to fit into MYC Hi-C data consists of 1920 monomers representing chr8:126,720,000-131,680,000, with the TAD boundaries located at monomer 456 (chr8: 127,840,000 - 127,880,001), monomer 808 (chr8: 128,720,000 - 128,760,001), monomer 1178 (chr8: 130,160,000 - 130,200,001) and monomer 1592 (chr8: 130,680,000 - 130,720,001). The simulation code is available on Github: <ext-link ext-link-type="uri" xlink:href="https://github.com/yf1037/ChromatinSimulation">https://github.com/yf1037/ChromatinSimulation</ext-link></p>
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<title>Dynamic simulation</title>
<p>To follow dynamics, we saved structure coordinates every five blocks. We converted simulation block units to minutes by comparing the temporal scaling of the mean squared displacement of monomers with published data (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c3">3</xref>).</p>
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<p>We downloaded CTCF mutant Hi-C data(<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c18">18</xref>) from the GEO accession viewer (<underline>GSM4041374</underline>, <underline>GSM4041375</underline>), and processed them with Hi-C Bench(<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c19">19</xref>) (<ext-link ext-link-type="uri" xlink:href="https://github.com/NYU-BFX/hic-bench/">https://github.com/NYU-BFX/hic-bench/</ext-link>) using default settings at 40 kb bin size. T-ALL(<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c16">16</xref>) data were previously analyzed using Hi-C Bench(<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c19">19</xref>). All coordinates are mapped to hg19.</p>
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<title>Significance tests</title>
<p>We estimated statistical significance between Cumulative Distribution Functions using two-sample, one-sided Kolmogorov-Smirnov tests. All other statistical tests used a two-tailed student t-test.</p>
<p>To test the sensitivity of Nelder-Mead simplex optimization, we estimated the standard deviation of optimizations based on 8 repeated optimizations of CTCFmut data (Supp. Fig. 1 E). We then set means of optimizations at a given difference, e.g. means at 0.4 and 0.6 for <italic>ΔStallL</italic> = 0.2, and simulated optimization results based on a normal distribution. Then, we calculated the probability of observing a significant difference using the simulated optimization results.</p>
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<title>A parameter optimization algorithm predicts the contributions of loop extrusion and domain interactions from Hi-C maps</title>
<p>The simulations leverage an established polymer model (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c3">3</xref>) combining the following ingredients: 1) Polymer dynamics based on a Rouse Model and Langevin dynamics; 2) Loop extrusion using possessive LEFs that are stochastically loaded onto the chromatin fiber (<xref rid="fig1" ref-type="fig">Fig. 1</xref> C and Supp. Fig. 1 A) (TAD boundaries are set to discrete locations matching Hi-C TAD boundaries and assigned two directional permeabilities for LEFs: <italic>StallL</italic>,<italic>StallR</italic>); and 3) domain interactions via attractive interactions between monomers, modeled by a potential well whose depth (attraction energy, <italic>E<sub>attr</sub></italic>) quantifies mutual affinity (<xref rid="fig1" ref-type="fig">Fig. 1</xref> D and Supp. Fig. 1 A). To search for the best-fit parameter set for the loci of interest (<italic>StallL</italic>, <italic>StallR, E<sub>attr</sub></italic> for each boundary/domain), we start the optimization with an initial guess set of biophysical parameters (see <italic>Methods</italic>) and conduct a series of polymer simulation replicates (Supp. Fig. 1 B). These simulations are combined to build a simulated Hi-C map in which pairs of monomers closer than a distance threshold are scored as making contact. We then measure the Spearman Correlation between the simulated Hi-C map and the experimental Hi-C map (<xref rid="fig1" ref-type="fig">Fig. 1</xref> A). Using the Nelder-Mead simplex optimization algorithm (<xref rid="fig1" ref-type="fig">Fig. 1</xref> B), we update the parameter values to find the parameter set maximizing the Spearman Correlation. We first validated the optimization method using ground truth maps built from simulation runs with known values of StallL, StallR, Eattr for each boundary/domain. After typically 70-90 iterations, the Nelder-Mead algorithm converges close to the expected parameters (<xref rid="fig1" ref-type="fig">Fig. 1</xref> E-J).</p>
<p>Since CTCF binding blocks loop extrusion (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c18">18</xref>,<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c20">20</xref>), simulations should predict a loss of boundary permeability when CTCF is perturbed. To validate whether simulations recapitulate known biology using experimental data, we leveraged recent Hi-C maps captured on a cell line homozygously expressing a CTCF mutant missing zinc fingers 9-11 (CTCFmut)(<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c18">18</xref>,<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c20">20</xref>). Cells expressing CTCFmut lose a subset of CTCF binding, resulting in chromatin rearrangements visible in Hi-C maps. We optimized parameters for one of the rearranged loci against Hi-C contact frequency maps measured in the WT and CTCFmut (chr3: 59,800,000-61,840,000) (<xref rid="fig1" ref-type="fig">Fig. 1</xref> K). As expected, the simulation predicted a significant drop of 0.13 in boundary permeability in CTCFmut compared to WT (<xref rid="fig1" ref-type="fig">Fig. 1</xref> L; Spearman Correlation: 0.85±0.02 for CTCFmut, 0.82±0.01 for WT), but no significant changes in <italic>E<sub>attr</sub></italic> (<xref rid="fig1" ref-type="fig">Fig. 1</xref> M). We repeated the optimization eight times (Supp. Fig. 1 D) to calibrate the sensitivity and specificity of the simulations against experimental data (Supp. Fig. 1 E).</p>
<p>Since the simulation contains stochastic components, we quantified the sensitivity to small changes (see <italic>Methods</italic>). With three independent optimization runs, there is a 70% chance of finding a significant difference in boundary permeability <italic>StallL</italic> between two simulated maps if the change is 0.2 or greater (Supp. Fig. 1 F). For <italic>E<sub>attr</sub></italic>, the chance of finding a significant difference with a change of 0.1 <italic>k<sub>B</sub>T</italic> is 90% with three optimizations (Supp. Fig. 1 G). While the sensitivity further increases with the number of runs, the specificity is very high (low false positive rates) even with only two optimization runs.</p>
<p>To further test the generalizability of the simulation fitting, we also fitted the simulation to four other loci previously profiled by Hi-C (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c4">4</xref>). The simulation fittings recaptured the major features in all the loci (Supp. Fig. 3).</p>
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<title>The rearrangement of the <italic>MYC</italic> locus in leukemia cells is consistent with changes in <italic>E<sub>attr</sub></italic></title>
<p>Having established our parameter optimization approach, we went on to test whether it can formulate mechanistic predictions. We used the pathogenetic chromatin rearrangements at the <italic>MYC</italic> locus in leukemia as a model (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c16">16</xref>), and ran an optimization search for the biophysical parameters yielding best agreement between simulated and previously published Hi-C contact frequency maps of T-ALL (T cell acute lymphoblastic leukemia) patient samples, the model leukemia cell line CUTLL1 (Columbia University T cell Lymphoblastic Lymphoma 1), and naive T cells from healthy donors (<xref rid="fig2" ref-type="fig">Fig. 2</xref>. A).</p>
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<caption><p>Simulation of the rearrangement of the <italic>MYC</italic> locus in T-ALL. A) Locus Model: five TADs surrounding the MYC gene are assigned distinct <italic>E<sub>attr</sub>1-5,</italic> while the four intervening boundaries are characterized by directional permeabilities (<italic>StallL1-4, StallR1-4</italic>). Boundary 3 (arrow) is disrupted in CUTLL1 and T-ALL patients. ChIP-seq and Hi-C map are plotted from a previous publication(<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c16">16</xref>) (chr8:126,720,000-131,680,000). The log value of the contact matrix is plotted. B) Hi-C (top) and simulated (bottom) contact frequency maps of the MYC locus, using a polymer model featuring loop extrusion alone (no <italic>E<sub>attr</sub></italic>). The log values of the contact matrices are plotted. C) Hi-C (top) and simulated (bottom) contact frequency maps of the MYC locus using the combined model with both loop extrusion and <italic>E<sub>attr</sub></italic>. D) Best-fit parameter sets of the simulations in C. Left, TAD boundary permeability; Right, <italic>E<sub>attr</sub></italic>. The result shows significant differences in TAD2 and TAD4 <italic>E<sub>attr</sub></italic>. E) Correlations between Hi-C data and simulated contact frequency maps with boundary permeability of the disrupted boundary varying from 0 to 1 in 0.25 steps while other parameters are set to the best-fit of CUTLL1. T cell best-fit with high <italic>E<sub>attr</sub></italic> best correlates with the Hi-C data. *p&lt;0.1, **p &lt; 0.05, ***p &lt; 0.01.</p></caption>
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<p>Loss of CTCF binding at the boundary of the <italic>MYC</italic>-containing TAD (TAD boundary 3) in leukemia samples (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c16">16</xref>) suggests that a disruption in loop extrusion boundary could explain the observed changes in chromatin organization. In order to investigate whether loop extrusion changes alone could explain chromatin rearrangements, we ran the optimization using loop extrusion biophysical parameters only while omitting domain interactions. We separately ran optimizations to find the parameter values best describing Hi-C data from CUTLL1 or naive T cells. To our surprise, both optimizations converged to the same set of biophysical parameters, failing to recapitulate the distinct organization of the locus in T cells (<xref rid="fig2" ref-type="fig">Fig. 2</xref>. B; Spearman Correlation: 0.79±0.01 for CUTLL1, 0.67±0.02 for T cells).</p>
<p>Since loop extrusion alone appeared insufficient to explain the difference between the <italic>MYC</italic> locus structures of T cells and CUTLL1, we turned to the full model which includes both loop extrusion and <italic>E<sub>attr</sub></italic>. With this model, we were able to obtain distinct Hi-C maps for the two conditions, each in agreement with its experimental counterpart (Spearman Correlation: 0.87±0.05 for CUTLL1, 0.84±0.07 for T cells, 0.93±0.03 for T-ALL; <xref rid="fig2" ref-type="fig">Fig. 2</xref>. C), regardless of the values of the parameters chosen to initialize the simplex (Supp. Fig. 1 I). In naive T cells, the best-fit exhibits stronger <italic>E<sub>attr</sub></italic> between the TADs upstream (TAD2) and downstream (TAD4) of the <italic>MYC</italic>-containing TAD, compared to the same parameters in CUTLL1 and T-ALL (<xref rid="fig2" ref-type="fig">Fig. 2</xref> D, Supp. Fig. 1 H). In other words, TAD2 and TAD4 preferentially interact with one another, but are segregated from the <italic>MYC</italic>-containing TAD3 in T cells. Interestingly, TAD4 super-enhancers are active in CUTLL1; the <italic>E<sub>attr</sub></italic> disruption in leukemia could result in a TAD4 more permissive to promoter contacts (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c16">16</xref>).</p>
<p>To further confirm that changes in <italic>E<sub>attr</sub></italic> but not boundary permeability underlie <italic>MYC</italic> rewiring, we generated contact frequency maps using a series of simulations set to different boundary permeabilities but keeping <italic>E<sub>attr</sub></italic> constant, either set to the weak value observed in CUTLL1 (<xref rid="fig2" ref-type="fig">Fig. 2</xref> E) or the strong value observed in T cells (Supp. Fig. 1 J). None of these simulated maps correlate with the T cell data better than the one with high <italic>E<sub>attr</sub></italic>. Moreover, those with low boundary permeabilities correlate better than those with high boundary permeabilities. Together, these results suggest that changes in loop extrusion alone can’t explain the differences between CUTLL1 and naive T cells.</p>
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<title>Single-cell chromatin structures are consistent with <italic>E<sub>attr</sub></italic> disruption at the <italic>MYC</italic> locus in leukemia</title>
<p>While contact frequency maps provide an informative readout of the average 3D organization of a locus, they are blind to the rich ensemble of conformations explored by chromatin (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c21">21</xref>). Polymer simulations, on the other hand, do sample the conformation ensemble: they not only predict the average organization of a locus, but also its variability across time and replicates, which should reflect the heterogeneity observed across cells. Having validated that the simulated <italic>MYC</italic> locus provides a realistic model of the average locus organization, we went on to test whether the ensemble of simulated structures recapitulates the heterogeneity in 3D organization measured in single cells. Simulations of the full model at the <italic>MYC</italic> locus predict that TAD2 and TAD4 are further apart in CUTLL1 than in T cells. In contrast, simulations of T cells where we only allow a gain of a loop extrusion boundary relative to the CUTLL1 best-fit (i.e. enforcing that <italic>E<sub>attr</sub></italic> remains constant) do not lead to a substantial change in the inter-TAD distance (<xref rid="fig3" ref-type="fig">Fig. 3</xref> A). We performed DNA FISH using probes tiling the two TADs in distinct colors and measured the distances between each TAD centroid in either cell type (<xref rid="fig3" ref-type="fig">Fig. 3</xref> B, C, Supp. Fig. 4 A-C), confirming the simulation predictions that TAD2 and TAD4 are on average further apart in CUTLL1 compared to T cells (p = 4×10<sup>-12</sup>, two-sample one-sided Kolmogorov Smirnov test). This agreement suggests that the differences between CUTLL1 and naive T cells are caused by <italic>E<sub>attr</sub></italic> changes but not loop extrusion. Importantly, not just the average distances, but the shape of the distance distribution across individual cells closely matches the predictions of the simulations in both cell types, further confirming that the simulations can predict heterogeneity across cells.</p>
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<caption><p>Simulations recapitulate the <italic>MYC</italic> locus disruption measured by DNA FISH. A) Top: Simulated Hi-C data; bottom: Simulated DNA FISH results; Center: CUTLL1; Left: simulated T cell with additional <italic>E<sub>attr</sub></italic> compared to CUTLL1; Right: simulated data with an additional loop extrusion boundary compared to CUTLL1. B) Top: Representative snapshots of simulated <italic>MYC</italic> locus structures of T cells (left) and CUTLL1 (right) with TAD2 and TAD4 marked in orange and cyan respectively; bottom: representative FISH images of T cells (left) and CUTLL1 (right) using probes tiling TAD2 and TAD4 respectively. C) Cumulative probability distributions of the distances between the centroids of TAD2 and TAD4 in CUTLL1 and naive T cells obtained in simulations and in DNA FISH experiments. Shading represents standard deviations of each bin in the cumulative probability distributions (n = 3).</p></caption>
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<p>The faster cell cycle of CUTTL cells might constitute a possible confounder if the <italic>MYC</italic> locus confirmation is strongly cell cycle-dependent. To eliminate this possibility, we assigned individual CUTLL1 cells to distinct cell cycle stages according to the number of visible DNA FISH spots per nucleus (see <italic>Methods</italic>). The interTAD distances in G1 and G2 stages exhibit similar cumulative probability distributions (Supp. Fig. 4. D), suggesting that changes in <italic>E<sub>attr</sub></italic> rather than differences in cell cycle phases explain the <italic>MYC</italic> rearrangement in leukemia cells.</p>
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<title>Pairs of loci with the same contact probability exhibit dramatically different looping dynamics</title>
<p>Because polymer simulations recapitulate complex chromatin organization features, from sensitivity to key perturbations (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c3">3</xref>) to single-cell distributions (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c8">8</xref>) and dynamic chromatin behavior (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c10">10</xref>,<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c22">22</xref>), we reasoned that they might help investigate how the chromatin dynamic ensemble relates to average contact frequency maps, a widely used observable. Using the best-fit to the <italic>MYC</italic> locus in CUTLL1 as a testing ground, we simulated chromatin temporal trajectories to characterize how dynamics shape the interactions of the <italic>MYC</italic> promoter with its surroundings (<xref rid="fig4" ref-type="fig">Fig. 4</xref> A and B). While the <italic>MYC</italic> locus constitutes a realistic chromatin landscape within which we explore general principles driving long-range interactions, we stress that we do not intend here to recapitulate the specifics of <italic>MYC</italic> expression regulation.</p>
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<caption><p>Simulated chromatin dynamics. A) Contact frequency definition. On-times are defined as time intervals during which two loci are closer than the set capture radius. B) Frequency of contact (&lt;400 nm) with the promoter (monomer 811, green) as a function of genomic position across the locus in simulated data (top) and CUTLL1 Hi-C data (bottom). Two loci of interest (monomers 859, 1590) exhibit similar contact frequency despite very different distances to the promoter. C) Example simulated time traces of the distance between the promoter and either locus marked in B. D) Left: LEF knock-down/overexpression is modeled by enforcing different LEF densities in the simulation. Center, Right: Average On- and Off-time durations of contacts (&lt;200 nm) between the promoter and monomers separated by different genomic distances, for different LEF densities. Each data point is the average of 10 independent simulations. E) Distance-gated productive interactions occur when a locus is within a set capture radius from the promoter. F) Simulated frequency of productive interactions with the promoter (located at the distance origin) as a function of genomic position across the locus, for different capture radii. G) Frequency of productive interactions as a function of the simulated Hi-C contact frequency, for different capture radii (Hi-C capture radius: 200 nm; minimum duration set to 15s for all curves; color scheme matches that of F, from light to dark: 100 nm, 300 nm, 400 nm, 500 nm) H) Duration-gated productive interactions occur when a locus is within a set capture radius from the promoter for at least a minimum duration. I) Simulated frequency of productive interactions with the promoter (located at the distance origin) as a function of genomic position across the locus, for different minimum durations. J) Frequency of productive interactions as a function of the simulated Hi-C contact frequency, for different minimum durations (Hi-C minimum duration: 15 s; contact radius set to 200 nm for all curves; color scheme matches that of I, from light to dark: 1 min, 2 min, 5 min). K) Frequency of productive interactions as a function of Hi-C contact frequency when enforcing time- and distance-gating; (productive interaction capture radius and minimum duration for each curve are indicated in the box; Hi-C capture radius and minimum duration: 200 nm, 15 s). L) Average On- and Off-time durations of productive interactions (capture radius: 400 nm; minimum duration: 2 min) between the promoter and monomers separated by different genomic distances, for different LEF densities. Each data point is the average of 10 independent simulations.</p></caption>
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<p>We first selected two loci with similar contact frequencies to the <italic>MYC</italic> promoter in simulated Hi-C data (monomer 859 and 1590, respectively located 120 kbp and 1.9 Mbp downstream of the <italic>MYC</italic> promoter at monomer 811; <xref rid="fig4" ref-type="fig">Fig. 4</xref> B). Surprisingly, simulated contacts (&lt;200 nm) between the promoter and either locus exhibited very distinct dynamics: contacts with monomer 859 are short and frequent, while contacts with monomer 1590 are long but infrequent (<xref rid="fig4" ref-type="fig">Fig. 4</xref> C and Supp. Fig. 5 A).</p>
<p>We hypothesized that the long infrequent promoter contacts of monomer 1590 are driven by loop extrusion, while the frequent short promoter contacts of monomer 895 are mediated by the thermal motion of the chromatin fiber. Indeed, decreasing the density of LEFs on chromatin threefold results in minimal effects on the dynamics of promoter contacts with close monomers, but significantly impacts the dynamics of promoter contacts with far away monomers (<xref rid="fig4" ref-type="fig">Fig. 4</xref> D and Supp. Fig. 5 B). We also tested perturbing the lifetime of LEFs on chromatin which again impacted the contacts with monomers far away from the promoter but not those with closeby monomers (Supp. Fig. 5 B). These findings illustrate that Hi-C contact frequency has limited power to predict looping dynamics.</p>
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<title>Time- and distance-gating regulate chromatin contacts non-linearly</title>
<p>The transcription output of a reporter gene exhibits a sigmoidal response to the frequency of contacts between its promoter and a distal enhancer, as measured by Hi-C (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c17">17</xref>,<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c23">23</xref>), although the molecular mediators of this relationship remain unknown. Cross-linking used in Hi-C likely captures transient contacts because DNA binders that reside on chromatin for ∼5-100 seconds (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c24">24</xref>) are efficiently captured by crosslinking in chromatin immunoprecipitation techniques. Comparisons between Hi-C and DNA FISH suggest that loci crosslink in Hi-C if they lie within ∼100-400 nm from each other, with different variants of the Hi-C protocol providing slightly different spatial resolutions (Supplementary Table 3)(<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c15">15</xref>,<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c25">25</xref>). Yet, it remains unclear how close two loci need to come together in order to transfer regulatory information, and how long the contacts need to last in order to yield productive activation of a target gene. Based on the complex dynamics of our model locus, we reasoned that non-linearities in chromatin contact kinetics might account for the sigmoidal response of transcription with Hi-C contacts observed experimentally.</p>
<p>While Hi-C captures transient and close contacts (15s, 200 nm), the capture radius and minimum duration of productive interactions between distal chromatin loci remain undetermined. We first tested how the frequency of productive interactions between loci would change as a function of the capture radius (<xref rid="fig4" ref-type="fig">Fig. 4</xref> E) or the minimum duration (<xref rid="fig4" ref-type="fig">Fig. 4</xref> H). The frequency of productive interactions with the promoter as a function of genomic distance varied non-linearly with the capture radius or the minimum duration (<xref rid="fig4" ref-type="fig">Fig. 4</xref> F, I). Interestingly, the frequency of productive interactions also displayed a non-linear relationship with the frequency of transient, close contacts mimicking Hi-C capture (15s, 200 nm) for a series of capture radii and minimal durations (<xref rid="fig4" ref-type="fig">Fig. 4</xref> G, J, Supp. Fig. 5 C). We also confirmed that, independent of gating in radius and duration, loop extrusion drives long, infrequent interactions between distant loci, but not short frequent interactions between nearby loci (Supp. Fig. 5 D and E).</p>
<p>When combining changes in minimum duration and capture radius, we found that the frequency of long interactions within a large capture radius (&gt; 1 min, 400 nm) exhibited a sigmoidal response to the frequency of close contacts mimicking Hi-C capture (15s, 200 nm; <xref rid="fig4" ref-type="fig">Fig. 4</xref> K and Supp. Fig. 5 F and G). Recent observations show that cohesin depletion results in a sharp drop in the frequency of productive bursts of transcription, with little change in their duration or amplitude (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c23">23</xref>). Simulated productive interactions (400 nm, 2 min) echoed these findings, predicting less frequent contacts, but no major changes in their duration in the presence of LEF depletion (<xref rid="fig4" ref-type="fig">Fig. 4</xref> L). Interestingly, the predicted effect of cohesin depletion on the frequency of productive interactions is much more pronounced at large genomic distances, consistent with findings that loop extrusion is crucial for enhancer function only at large distances (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c26">26</xref>,<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c27">27</xref>).</p>
<p>The dependence of contact dynamics on loop extrusion in our simulations of <italic>MYC</italic> differs from that previously observed for two TAD boundaries (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c45">45</xref>). To check whether the different results are the product of different simulation models, we simulated contact dynamics across two TAD boundaries matching the locus of (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c45">45</xref>). Our simulations recapitulate the distance distribution and loop extrusion dependence previously observed (Supp. Fig. 6), establishing that the differences between the two systems are biological. Thus, while loop extrusion controls both the frequency and duration of contacts at TAD boundaries, it exerts a more nuanced effect on the frequency of contacts in loci pairs like the <italic>MYC</italic> locus that might better reflect typical enhancer-promoter pairs.</p>
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<title>Discussion</title>
<p>In this study, we developed a parameter optimization workflow to predict the respective contributions of loop extrusion and <italic>E<sub>attr</sub></italic> from Hi-C maps. We were able to fit biophysical models of the chromatin fiber to Hi-C data using the Nelder-Mead algorithm, confirming that a combination of the two processes provides a tractable but realistic depiction of the large-scale features of chromatin folding (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c3">3</xref>,<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c8">8</xref>). Importantly, best-fit simulations predict not only population-averaged observables such as Hi-C contact frequency but also single-cell variability, measured with DNA FISH.</p>
<p>Besides the modeling proposed here, the String Binders Switch (SBS) model (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c8">8</xref>) of chromatin has recently been used to fit experimental 3D organization data. In this model, different segments of chromatin are assigned a different binder type and can phase-separate into different globular compartments, compartmental TADs, or sub-TAD structures. The SBS approach successfully models chromatin organization in detail, at the cost of a larger, more complex set of parameters. The parameter optimization is computationally costly, requiring several days of computational time for 13 parameters used in our <italic>MYC</italic> locus model. Increasing the number of parameters would likely increase optimization time and/or require additional constraints, such as prior knowledge of CTCF binding (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c8">8</xref>). The model presented here offers the advantage of simplicity and only needs Hi-C data as input for parameter optimization. Future work extending this framework to single cell readouts out chromatin architecture (e.g. single-cell Hi-C or chromatin tracing) holds promise to further constrain chromatin models.</p>
<p>Validating the model on the oncogenic rewiring of the <italic>MYC</italic> locus, we found that the rewiring is consistent with a loss of <italic>E<sub>attr</sub></italic> rather than a loss of loop extrusion permeability (<xref rid="fig2" ref-type="fig">Fig. 2</xref> and <xref rid="fig3" ref-type="fig">3</xref>). While major changes in loop extrusion permeability are ruled out by the simulations, we cannot rule out small changes in loop extrusion permeability that might fall under the method’s detection threshold. Such small changes are unlikely to explain the observed rewiring (<xref rid="fig2" ref-type="fig">Fig. 2</xref> E, Supp. Fig. 1 J). In addition to blocking loop extrusion by cohesin, CTCF facilitates interactions of different compartments (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c28">28</xref>). It is thus possible that CTCF might play this non-canonical role instead of TAD insolation when bound to the boundary between TAD3 and TAD4 in T cells.</p>
<p>One possible explanation for the disruption of <italic>E<sub>attr</sub></italic> at the MYC locus could be the loss of histone methylation marks. Polycomb Repressive Complex 2 (PRC2) establishes initial H3K27me2/3 and spreads H3K27me3 on chromatin (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c29">29</xref>). Polycomb Repressive Complex 1 (PRC1) reads these H3K27me3 marks and induces the formation of chromatin compartments by forming oligomers (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c29">29</xref>). PRC2 is frequently mutated or silenced in T-ALL, and is inactive in CUTLL1 (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c30">30</xref>). Consistently, T-ALL and CUTLL1 exhibit low H3K27me3 levels genome-wide (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c30">30</xref>), which could lead to the <italic>E<sub>attr</sub></italic> changes observed at the <italic>MYC</italic> locus.</p>
<p>Analyzing the dynamics of chromatin structures, we observed that pairs of loci with similar Hi-C contact frequencies exhibit distinct looping dynamics: nearby loci pairs are dominated by thermal fluctuations while loci far apart exhibit more infrequent interactions mediated by loop extrusion. These observations raise the question of how the temporal dimension - largely missed in Hi-C - factors into long-range regulation. Transcription activation from a distal enhancer exhibits a sigmoidal relationship to the Hi-C contact frequency with its target promoter (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c17">17</xref>). The simulations presented here suggest that the sigmoidal relationship could emerge from productive interactions being limited to long events (&gt; 1min) within a larger capture radius (∼400 nm) than that of Hi-C. In support of this idea, the time- and distance-gated model proposed here could recapitulate several observations: the increased dependence of loop extrusion for transcription activation from long distances (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c27">27</xref>,<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c32">32</xref>); the stronger effect of loop extrusion perturbations on the frequency of activation intervals compared to their duration (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c23">23</xref>); the fact that Sox2 transcription exhibits little temporal correlation with distance to its SCR enhancer - since the SCR lies within &lt;400 nm of the promoter the vast majority of the time, the model predicts near uninterrupted enhancer-promoter communication (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c33">33</xref>,<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c34">34</xref>); the strong temporal correlation between enhancer-promoter distance and transcription activity for artificial systems where the enhancer regularly explores distances outside of the ∼400 nm capture radius from the promoter (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c35">35</xref>,<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c36">36</xref>). While other mechanisms have also been proposed to account for the non-linearity observed between chromatin contact matrices and transcription regulation (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c17">17</xref>,<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c37">37</xref>,<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c38">38</xref>), the simulations presented here demonstrate that the choice of a specific contact observable as a metric is not a neutral decision, but in itself can introduce non-linearities. More importantly, these findings put into question the use of a single metric (e.g. Hi-C contact) to describe a complex dynamic ensemble (the chromatin fiber). A unidimensional metric has obvious practical advantages, yet it remains unknown which features of chromatin’s dynamic ensemble are interpreted by the cell to orchestrate long-distance regulation, and whether those features are captured by Hi-C contacts linearly and unambiguously.</p>
<p>While the values of the time and distance gates presented here are by necessity approximative due to the simplicity of the model, they represent plausible estimates. The contact radius of ∼400 nm, sufficient to generate a sigmoid relationship with Hi-C contacts in simulations, is tantalizingly close to the typical size of transcription clusters or hubs: dynamic, non-stoichiometric assemblies of transcription factors and co-activators observed around active genes and enhancers (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c34">34</xref>). Interestingly, the 400 nm capture radius also coincides with the typical distance under which promoters are more likely to burst in sync (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c39">39</xref>). These findings are consistent with the idea that regulatory information transfer might not rely on direct molecular contacts between chromatin segments, but rather on the continued presence of distal elements within a relatively large radius. Transcription regulators might then diffuse at a very short range between chromatin segments, possibly confined within local nano environments characterized by specific composition and biochemical properties (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c40">40</xref>). In such a model, why would only interactions longer than ∼2 minutes become productive? One possibility is that time-gating ensures regulatory specificity: increased dwell times of transcription activators at regulatory targets are stronger predictors of transcription output than increased average occupancy (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c41">41</xref>), suggesting the presence of kinetic proofreading steps in the transcription cycle (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c42">42</xref>–<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="c44">44</xref>). The minimal duration of ∼2 min predicted by the model allows a few typical transcription factor binding events to take place, which is likely sufficient to enable proofreading of the transcription binding events.</p>
<p>Our parameter optimization can be adapted to build biophysical models of any locus of interest. Despite the model simplicity, the best-fit simulations are sufficient to predict the contribution of loop extrusion and domain interactions, as well as single-cell variability from Hi-C data. Modeling dynamics enables testing mechanistic relationships between chromatin dynamics and transcription regulation. As more experimental results emerge to define simulation parameters, updates to the model should further increase its power.</p>
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<p>We would like to thank the Aifantis lab for sharing reagents and useful discussions, and the Applied Bioinformatics Laboratories (ABL) for providing bioinformatics support and helping with the analysis of the CTCFmut Hi-C data. ABL is a shared resource partially supported by the Cancer Center Support Grant P30CA016087 at the Laura and Isaac Perlmutter Cancer Center.</p>
<p>The computational requirements for this work were supported in part by the NYU Langone High Performance Computing (HPC) Core’s resources and personnel, and in part through the NYU IT High Performance Computing resources, services, and staff expertise. We thank the Fenyo lab for their assistance with HPC setup.</p>
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<p>NIH R01AG075272, R01CA260028 and R01GM149835 to T.L., F.C. and Y.F.</p>
<p>NCI/NIH Cancer Center Support Grant P30CA016087, NCI/NIH P01CA229086 and NCI/NIH R01CA252239 to A.T.</p>
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<p>Y.F. and T.L. designed the experiments. F.C. developed the optimized DNA FISH protocol and performed some of the DNA FISH experiments. S.N. and A.T. analyzed H3K27me3 ChIP-seq data and some of the Hi-C data. Y.F. performed all other experiments and computations. T.L. supervised the findings of this work. All authors contributed to the final manuscript.</p>
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<title>Declaration of Interests</title>
<p>A.T. is scientific advisor of Intelligencia.AI and co-founder of Imagenomix.</p>
<p>The other authors declare no conflict of interest.</p>
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<p>This study presents a <bold>valuable</bold> optimization algorithm to identify polymer models that best fit population-averaged chromosome contact data that will be of interest to physicists and biologists working on chromatin organization. The conclusions are supported by <bold>solid</bold> evidence.</p>
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<p>Summary:</p>
<p>The authors of this study use an optimization algorithm approach, based on the established Nelder-Mead method, to infer polymer models that best match input bulk Hi-C contact data. The procedure infers the best parameters of a generic polymer model that combines loop-extrusion (LE) dynamics and compartmentalisation of chromatin types driven by weak biochemical affinities. Using this and DNA FISH, the authors investigate the chromatin structure of the MYC locus in leukaemia cells, showing that loop extrusion alone cannot explain local pathogenic chromatin rearrangements. Finally, they study the locus single-cell heterogeneity and time dynamics.</p>
<p>In the revised manuscript the authors have adequately addressed my questions and comments. The exception concerns point #5 of my original review:</p>
<p>(5) Besides cumulative probability distributions, I asked the authors to show the TAD2-TAD4 (model vs. exp) distances in Fig. 3c as relative frequency histograms. This allows readers to more accurately evaluate whether model and experimental distributions have same shape and variance.</p>
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<p>The following is the authors’ response to the original reviews.</p>
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<p><bold>Reviewer #1 (Public Review):</bold></p>
<p>Summary:</p>
<p>The authors of this study aim to use an optimization algorithm approach, based on the established NelderMead method, to infer polymer models that best match input bulk Hi-C contact data. The procedure infers the best parameters of a generic polymer model that combines loop-extrusion (LE) dynamics and compartmentalization of chromatin types driven by weak biochemical affinities. Using this and DNA FISH, the authors investigate the chromatin structure of the MYC locus in leukemia cells, showing that loop extrusion alone cannot explain local pathogenic chromatin rearrangements. Finally, they study the locus single-cell heterogeneity and time dynamics.</p>
<p>Strengths:</p>
<p>- The optimization method provides a fast computational tool that speeds up the parameter search of complex chromatin polymer models and is a good technical advancement.</p>
<p>- The method is not restricted to short genomic regions, as in principle it can be applied genome-wide to any input Hi-C dataset, and could be potentially useful for testing predictions on chromatin structure.</p>
<p>Weaknesses:</p>
<p>(1) The optimization is based on the iterative comparison of simulated and Hi-C contact matrices using the Spearman correlation. However, the inferred set of the best-fit simulation parameters could sensitively depend on such a specific metric choice, questioning the robustness of the output polymer models. How do results change by using different correlation coefficients?</p>
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<p>This is an important question. We have tested several metrics in the process of building the fitting procedure. We now showcase side-by-side comparisons of the fitting results obtained using these different metrics in supplementary figure 2.</p>
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<p>(2) The best-fit contact threshold of 420nm seems a quite large value, considering that contact probabilities of pairs of loci at the mega-base scale are defined within 150nm (see, e.g., (Bintu et al. 2018) and  (Takei et al. 2021)).</p>
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<p>This is a good point. Unfortunately, there is no established standard distance cutoff to map distances to Hi-C contact frequency data. Indeed, previous publications have used anywhere between 120 nm to 500 nm (see e.g. (Cardozo Gizzi et al. 2019), (Cattoni et al. 2017) , (Mateo et al. 2019), (Hafner et al. 2022), (Murphy and Boettiger 2022), (Takei et al. 2021), (Fudenberg and Imakaev 2017) , (Wang et al. 2016), (Su et al. 2020), (Chen et al. 2022), (Finn et al. 2019)).</p>
<p>We have included a supplementary table in the revised preprint (supplementary table 3) listing these values to demonstrate the lack of consensus. This large variation could reflect different chromatin compaction levels across distinct model systems, and different spatial resolutions in DNA FISH experiments performed by different labs. The variance in the threshold choice is also likely partially explained by Hi-C experimental details, e.g. the enzyme used for digestion, which biases the effective length scale of interactions detected (Akgol Oksuz et al. 2021). Among commonly used restriction enzymes, HindIII has a relatively low cutting frequency which results in a lower sensitivity to short-range interactions; on the other hand, MboI has a higher cutting frequency which results in a higher sensitivity to short-range interactions (Akgol Oksuz et al. 2021). Because the Hi-C data we used for the Myc locus in (Kloetgen et al. 2020) was generated using HindIII, we chose a distance cutoff close to the larger end of published values (420 nm).</p>
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<p>(3) In their model, the authors consider the presence of LE anchor sites at Hi-C TAD boundaries. Do they correspond to real, experimentally found CTCF sites located at genomic positions, or they are just assumed? A track of CTCF peaks of the considered chromatin loci would be needed.</p>
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<p>We apologize this was not clear. The LE anchor sites in the simulation model were chosen because they correspond to experimental CTCF sites and ChIP-seq peaks located at the corresponding genomic positions. Representative CTCF ChIP-seq tracks from (Kloetgen et al. 2020) have been added to figure 2A in the revised preprint version to emphasize this point.</p>
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<p>(4) In the model, each TAD is assigned a specific energy affinity value. Do the different domain types (i.e., different colors) have a mutually attractive energy? If so, what is its value and how is it determined? The simulated contact maps (e.g., Figure 2C) seem to allow attractions between different blocks, yet this is unclear.</p>
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<p>Sorry this was not explicit. The attraction energy between a pair of monomers in the simulation is determined using the geometric mean of the affinities of the two monomers. This applies to both monomers within the same domain and in different domains. This detail has been clarified in the Methods section: “To optimize the simulation duration to streamline the parameter search (Supp. Fig. 1 B), we computed the autocorrelation function of the TAD2-TAD4 inter-TAD distance using the initial guess simulation parameters of the MYC locus in CUTLL. The simulation was saved every 5 simulation blocks.”</p>
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<p>(5) To substantiate the claim that the simulations can predict heterogeneity across single cells, the authors should perform additional analyses. For instance, they could plot the histograms (models vs. experiments) of the TAD2-TAD4 distance distributions and check whether the models can recapitulate the FISH-observed variance or standard deviation. They could also add other testable predictions, e.g., on gyration radius distributions, kurtosis, all-against-all comparison of single-molecule distance matrices, etc,.</p>
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<p>We agree that heterogeneity prediction is a key advantage of the simulations. We do note that the histograms (models vs. experiments) of the TAD2-TAD4 distance distributions measured by FISH were plotted in Fig. 3C as empirical cumulative probability distributions (as is standard in the field), side by side with the simulation predictions. Simulations indeed recapitulate the variance observed by FISH. We also had emphasized this important point in the main text: “Importantly, not just the average distances, but the shape of the distance distribution across individual cells closely matches the predictions of the simulations in both cell types, further confirming that the simulations can predict heterogeneity across cells.”</p>
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<p>(6) The authors state that loop extrusion is crucial for enhancer function only at large distances. How does that reconcile, e.g., with Mach et al. Nature Gen. (2022) where LE is found to constrain the dynamics of genomically close (150kb) chromatin loci?</p>
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<p>This is an interesting question. In (Mach et al. 2022), the authors tracked the physical distance between two fluorescent labels positioned next to either anchor of a ~150 kb engineered topological domain using live-cell imaging. They found that abrogation of the loop anchors by ablation of the CTCF binding motifs, or knock-down of the cohesin subunit Rad21 resulted in increased physical distance between the loci. HMM Modeling of the distance over time traces suggests that the increased distance resulted from rarer and shorter contacts between the anchors. While this might seem at odds with the results of Fig. 4L, we note a key difference between the loci. While (Mach et al. 2022) observed the dynamics of the distance separating two CTCF loop anchors, in our model only the MYC promoter is proximal to a loop anchor, while the position of the second locus is varied, but remains far from the other anchor. The deletion of the CTCF sites at both anchors in (Mach et al. 2022) indeed results in a lowered sensitivity of the physical distance to Rad21 knock-down, reminiscent of the results of Fig. 4L in our work. This result demonstrates that loop extrusion disruption disproportionately impacts distances between loci close to loop anchors, consistent with Hi-C results (Rao et al. 2017; Nora et al. 2017). We therefore believe that the models in our work and (Mach et al. 2022) are not at odds, but simply reflect that loop extrusion perturbations impact distances between loop anchors the most.  Enhancer-Promoter loops are generally distinct from CTCF-mediated loops (Hsieh et al. 2020, 2022). While (Mach et al. 2022) represents a landmark study in our understanding of the dynamics of genomic folding by loop extrusion, we therefore believe that the locus we chose here - which matches the endogenous MYC architecture - may more accurately represent Enhancer-Promoter dynamics than a synthetic CTCF loop.  To better articulate the similarities between model predictions and differences between the two loci, we have simulated a synthetic locus matching that of (Mach et al. 2022) in the revised preprint. Our simulation recapitulates the results obtained by Mach et al, including the sensitivity of contact frequency and duration to <italic>in silico</italic> cohesin knock-down (supplementary figure 6). We have updated the Results section accordingly: “The dependence of contact dynamics on loop extrusion in our simulations of MYC differs from that previously observed for two TAD boundaries (45). To check whether the different results are the product of different simulation models, we simulated contact dynamics across two TAD boundaries matching the locus of (45). Our simulations recapitulate the distance distribution and loop extrusion dependence previously observed (Supp. Fig. 6), establishing that the differences between the two systems are biological. While loop extrusion controls both the frequency and duration of contacts at TAD boundaries, it exerts a more nuanced effect on the frequency of contacts in loci pairs like the MYC locus that might better reflect typical enhancer-promoter pairs.”</p>
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<p><bold>Reviewer #2 (Public Review):</bold></p>
<p>Summary:</p>
<p>The authors Fu et al., developed polymer models that combine loop extrusion with attractive interactions to best describe Hi-C population average data. They analyzed Hi-C data of the MYC locus as an example and developed an optimization strategy to extract the parameters that best fit this average Hi-C data.</p>
<p>Strengths:</p>
<p>The model has an intuitive nature and the authors masterfully fitted the model to predict relevant biology/Hi-C methodology parameters. This includes loop extrusion parameters, the need for self-interaction with specific energies, and the time and distance parameters expected for Hi-C capture.</p>
<p>Weaknesses:</p>
<p>(1) We are no longer in the age in which the community only has access to population average Hi-C. Why was only the population average Hi-C used in this study?</p>
<p>Can single-cell data: i.e. single-cell Hi-C/Dip-C data or chromatin tracing data (i.e. see Tan et al Science 2018 - for Dip-C, Bintu et al Science 2018, Su et al Cell 2020 for chromatin tracing, etc.) or even 2 color DNA FISH data (used here only as validation) better constrain these models? At the very least the simulations themselves could be used to answer this essential question.</p>
<p>I am expecting that the single-cell variance and overall distributions of distances between loci might better constrain the models, and the authors should at least comment on it.</p>
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<p>We agree that it is possible to recapitulate single-cell Hi-C or chromatin tracing data with simulations, and that these data modalities have a superior potential to constrain polymer models because they provide an ensemble of single allele structures rather than population-averaged contact frequencies. However, these data remain out of reach for most labs compared to Hi-C. Our goal with this work was to provide an approachable method that anyone interested could deploy on their locus of choice, and reasoned that Hi-C currently remains the data modality available to most. We envision this strategy will help reach labs beyond the small number of groups expert in single cell chromatin architecture, and thus hopefully broaden the impact of polymer simulations in the chromatin organization field.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, we do agree that the comparison of single-cell chromatin architectures to simulations is a fertile ground for future studies, and have modified the preprint accordingly (Discussion):</p>
<p>“Future work extending this framework to single cell readouts out chromatin architecture (e.g. single-cell Hi-C or chromatin tracing) holds promise to further constrain chromatin models.”</p>
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<p>(2) The authors claimed &quot;Our parameter optimization can be adapted to build biophysical models of any locus of interest. Despite the model's simplicity, the best-fit simulations are sufficient to predict the contribution of loop extrusion and domain interactions, as well as single-cell variability from Hi-C data. Modeling dynamics enables testing mechanistic relationships between chromatin dynamics and transcription regulation. As more experimental results emerge to define simulation parameters, updates to the model should further increase its power.&quot; The focus on the Myc locus in this study is too narrow for this claim. I am expecting at least one more locus for testing the generality of this model.</p>
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<p>We note that we used two distinct loci in the initial version of our study, the MYC locus in leukemia vs T cells (Figs. 2-3) and a representative locus in experiments comparing WT CTCF with a mutant that leads to loss of a subset of CTCF binding sites (Fig. 1L). To further demonstrate generality, we have added to the revised preprint a demonstration of the simulation fitting to other loci acquired in different cell types (supplementary figure 3).</p>
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<p><bold>Recommendations for the authors:.</bold></p>
<p><bold>Reviewer #1 (Recommendations For The Authors):</bold></p>
<p>(1) The Methods part of the imaging analysis lacks some quantitative details that could be useful for the readers: what is the frequency of double detections? How &quot;small&quot; is the 3D region around the centroid? How many cells with no spots or more than four spots are excluded?</p>
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<p>We have clarified these important analysis parameters in the revised version of the preprint (Methods), including supplementary Table 2, listing the statistics of excluded cells:</p>
<p>“We then cropped out a small 3D region (20x20x10 pixels) around each approximate centroid, and subtracted the surrounding background intensity.”</p>
<p>“Cells with no spots or more than four spots were excluded from the cell cycle analysis (statistics in Supp. Table 2).”</p>
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<p>(2) How is the autocorrelation function of chromatin structures computed?</p>
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<p>We computed the autocorrelation function of the TAD2-TAD4 inter-TAD distance using the initial guess simulation parameters (<italic>Eattr</italic>, boundary permeabilities) of the MYC locus in CUTLL. All other simulation parameters are the same as other simulations in the preprint. The structure of the locus was saved every 5 simulation blocks. These structures were used to compute the TAD2-TAD4 inter-TAD distance as a function of time, which was used to calculate the autocorrelation function. This has been clarified in the revised version of the preprint (Methods):</p>
<p>“To optimize the simulation duration to streamline the parameter search (Supp. Fig. 1 B), we computed the autocorrelation function of the TAD2-TAD4 inter-TAD distance using the initial guess simulation parameters of the MYC locus in CUTLL. The simulation was saved every 5 simulation blocks.”</p>
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<p>(3) How is the monomer length (35nm) chosen to best compare FISH data?</p>
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<p>Because monomer length is difficult to derive from first principles, the standard in the field is to convert the size of a simulated monomer into a physical distance using a reference measurement in the system of choice. Similar to the Hi-C distance threshold, values for monomer size vary throughout the literature, e.g. 53 nm per 3 kbp monomer (Giorgetti et al. 2014), 50 nm per 2.5 kbp monomer (Nuebler et al. 2018), or from 36 to 60 nm per 3 kbp monomer, depending on the cell line or model details (Conte et al. 2022; Conte et al. 2020).</p>
<p>Here we used the mean of the median TAD2-TAD4 distances in T Cells and CUTLL as our length reference, and converted simulation distances into nm by matching this value. We obtained 35 nm per 2.5 kbp monomer, a value well within the range of the literature values (see above).</p>
<p>Using this simple conversion, the simulated distance distributions recapitulate two independent metrics accessible by DNA FISH: the shift in median distances between T cell and CUTLL, and the width of each distribution. This agreement indicates that simulations recapitulate both the differences between the two cell types, and the single cell heterogeneity within each cell type.</p>
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<p>(4) The main text does not make clear the &quot;known&quot; biophysical parameters that establish the model ground truth.</p>
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<p>In the initial validation of the fitting procedure, by “known biophysical parameters”, we meant that we generated simulated Hi-C maps in which we set the left/right permeabilities at each boundary, and <italic>Eattr</italic> values within each TAD to known values. We then assessed how well the fitting could recover these known ground truth values by trying to match the simulated representative Hi-C map. The specific values chosen are plotted for each set of simulations in Fig.1 F, H, J. The main text has been made more explicit in the revised preprint version (Results):</p>
<p>“We first validated the optimization method using ground truth maps built from simulation runs with known values of StallL, StallR, Eattr for each boundary/domainbiophysical parameters.”</p>
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<p>(5) What are the correlation coefficients between experimental and model contact maps in Figure 1L?</p>
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<p>We apologize for the oversight. The missing coefficient values have been added in the revised version of the manuscript (Results):</p>
<p>“As expected, the simulation predicted a significant drop of 0.13 in boundary permeability in CTCFmut compared to WT (Fig. 1 L; Spearman Correlation: 0.85±0.02 for CTCFmut, 0.82±0.01 for WT).”</p>
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<p>(6) Figure 2A, B: Contact matrices look oversaturated. Next, why do model contact maps have negative values?</p>
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<p>We apologize this was not clear. Figure 2 A,B plotted the log value of the contact matrices, thus the negative values. This has been made explicit in the revised version of the preprint (Fig. 2 Legend).</p>
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<p>(7) For model reproducibility, the authors could report the coordinates of the Hi-C TAD boundaries employed for the model.</p>
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<p>We have included in the revised version of the preprint an explicit mention of all genomic coordinates of the loci simulated in the Methods section:</p>
<p>“The model used to fit into MYC Hi-C data consists of 1920 monomers representing chr8:126,720,000131,680,000, with the TAD boundaries located at monomer 456 (chr8: 127,840,000 - 127,880,001), monomer</p>
<p>808 (chr8: 128,720,000 - 128,760,001), monomer 1178 (chr8: 130,160,000 - 130,200,001) and monomer 1592 (chr8: 130,680,000 - 130,720,001).”</p>
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<p>(8) What is the shaded area in Figure 3C?</p>
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<p>The shaded area in Figure 3C is the standard deviation calculated from three independent DNA FISH or simulation replicates for each bin of the histogram. This detail has been clarified in the revised preprint (Figure 3 legend).</p>
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<p>(9) In the Discussion, I suggest changing as follows: &quot;the time- and distance-gated model proposed here recapitulates several observations&quot; -&gt; &quot;the time- and distance-gated model proposed here could recapitulate several observations&quot;, as they are speculations.</p>
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<p>The sentence has been changed accordingly in the revised preprint (Discussion). Thank you for the suggestion.</p>
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<p><bold>Reviewer #2 (Recommendations For The Authors):</bold></p>
<p>Suggest analyzing the ability of single-cell data to better constrain dynamical models.</p>
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<p>While we agree that modeling single-cell distributions is a worthwhile endeavor to be explored in future work, we believe that the tool presented here serves a slightly different purpose: enabling labs that only have access to the most widespread technique at present to perform simulations to interrogate the forces that shape the organization of an arbitrary locus in their model of choice. Analyzing single-cell data is in principle very powerful, but would by necessity be limited to the small number of systems where these cutting-edge techniques have been deployed.</p>
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<p>Suggest selecting another locus other than MYC to demonstrate generality.</p>
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<p>We note that we used two distinct loci in the study, the MYC locus in leukemia <italic>vs.</italic> T cells (Figs. 2-3) and a representative locus in experiments comparing WT CTCF with a mutant that leads to loss of a subset of CTCF binding sites (Fig. 1L). To further demonstrate generality, we have added to the revised preprint a demonstration of the simulation fitting to other loci acquired in different cell types (supplementary figure 3).</p>
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